Talk:Karmine, the Dark Seductress/@comment-16107481-20151122134256

Note: The "This card gains the effect of the monster with ? ATK and/or DEF that was used for the Special Summon of this card that determines its own ATK and/or DEF." effect clarification; it can copy the effects of the monster with ? ATK and/or DEF used for this card's Fusion Summon, but only the effect that decides its ATK/DEF. Say, this card is Fusion Summoned by using "". This card gains the effect of "Dark" that decides its ATK and DEF, which is the "This card's ATK and DEF are equal to its Level x 400." The other effects are not copied by "Karmine". In the case this card is Relay Summoned, its ATK and DEF are determined with another formula, which is the number of your banished cards x400.

Oh, and this is the first card whose ATK and/or DEF can be determined by two different ways (one when Fusion Summoned and the other when Relay Summoned).